touch spells and prot spirit - Guild Wars Forums

lennymon · May 16, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Is it a bug or a 'feature' that any touch range spell ignores prot spirit?

from the wiki
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Touch[/skill][skill]Star Burst[/skill]

and the 'official wiki'
PS:Enchantment Spell. For 5..19..23 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell.

enfeebling Touch:Skill. Target touched foe loses 5..41..50 Health and suffers from Weakness for 5..17..20 seconds.

(we can see why for enfeebling touch, as it a 'skill' and doesnt deal 'damage'

Star Burst: Elite Spell. Target touched foe and all nearby foes are struck for 7..91..112 fire damage. If more than one foe was struck, you lose 5 energy.

but again here, inconsistent... deals damage, and is a spell

so why is it BOTH skills go right through prot spirit?

Enko · May 16, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

from the wording, yeah looks like skills aren't protected or health loss/steal.

Starburst should be reduced by prot spirit and its weird that its not.

lennymon · May 16, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

that's what I thought too, I tried it again targetting the sickened servants (ele) in minister Cho's estate mission (there's one immidiately following the menagerie. I pin everything back, swap to 55 armor, get PS and aggro. Servant runs in, starburst, bam dead. There's no enchant removal, just goes right through it.
Get this though, [skill]Vile Touch[/skill] IS reduced... yes it's damage but it's a skill, not an attack or spell.
Edit nvm the 'official wiki' has vile touch as a spell now... which would make it exactly the same as star burst.

Jedi Battousai · May 17, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Loss of health (i.e vampiric touch and the like) are not stopped by prot spirit. I don't see why Star Burst wouldn't be since it's straight damage. the Star Burst could be a bug, the loss of life/life steal is not.

Yichi · May 17, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Lifesteal is armor ignoring and will negate Prot Spirit. Vamp gaze, touch, vamp strike, etc... (anything that says target loses life and not "takes damage") will go right through prot spirit. Star Burst should not go through it however.

Raven Darkbringer · May 17, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

I dunno but I tell you what, I LOVE to touch

lennymon · May 17, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

yeah, allready know about life steal, not even an issue here.
tested: lightning touch, 'prottable'

bluwolf · May 17, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Is it maybe because your getting hit with Star Bursts AoE? Technically that is neither a spell or an attack. Just an idea.

Zui · May 17, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Life stealing ignores all Prot, as Prot acts on "damage" and life stealing is not "damage."

As for Starburst, it shouldn't go through Protective Spirit. Are you sure you're testing this correctly? If you are, please post it as a bug (with screenshots) at the bug forum.

HawkofStorms · May 17, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by lennymon

that's what I thought too, I tried it again targetting the sickened servants (ele) in minister Cho's estate mission (there's one immidiately following the menagerie. I pin everything back, swap to 55 armor, get PS and aggro. Servant runs in, starburst, bam dead. There's no enchant removal, just goes right through it.
Get this though, [skill]Vile Touch[/skill] IS reduced... yes it's damage but it's a skill, not an attack or spell.
Edit nvm the 'official wiki' has vile touch as a spell now... which would make it exactly the same as star burst.

I've farmed that area several times. Its not true. Starburst IS reduced by prot spirit. You won't automatically be killed my it.
Most likely, you were hit by a phyical attack that striped enchantment with the Afflicited Necros spamming Order of the Aposty (which can cause enchantments to be stripped but won't show up in the "reccently taken damage" bar since its done indirrectly). You have to hide behind walls and kill the necros first to eliminate that.

As for the others, shadow (enfeebling touch) and life drain damage (like vampiric touch) are not reduced. Vile touch is reduced because it deals cold damage.

You can always tell if ps will reduce the damage by the wording of the skill. If it says "target is struck for/takes xx damage" it can be reduced. If it says "target loses xx health" it bypasses protection spells like ps.

Curse You · May 17, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Best way to test is with a good old Guild Scrimmage. Unfortunately, non of my guild mates are on right now.

ichigo_panty · May 17, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

If you are solo-ing, then Starburst will be reduced.
For PS to be active, you must be the target of the spell or attack.
If Starburst isn't used on you but you are in the aoe range, you will not be protected.
The aoe damage is not consider a spell.

Notice the wording of PS. For it to work, you must be the target of the spell or attack. Therefore, if a firestorm was fired on your friend and you happen to be in the aoe range of the firestorm, PS won't work.

The 2 things that negate PS are Life Steal and AoE.

If there is an error somewhere, please correct me. Thank.

lennymon · May 17, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

ok... I figured it out...
In the *mission* its not getting reduced, likely due to the aoe effect... you are correct. In the explorable it's reduced.

Enko · May 17, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

really? hmm learn something new every day i guess. didn't know that aoe wasn't covered by protective spirit.

May 16, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07	#1
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	touch spells and prot spirit Is it a bug or a 'feature' that any touch range spell ignores prot spirit? from the wiki [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Touch[/skill][skill]Star Burst[/skill] and the 'official wiki' PS:Enchantment Spell. For 5..19..23 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell. enfeebling Touch:Skill. Target touched foe loses 5..41..50 Health and suffers from Weakness for 5..17..20 seconds. (we can see why for enfeebling touch, as it a 'skill' and doesnt deal 'damage' Star Burst: Elite Spell. Target touched foe and all nearby foes are struck for 7..91..112 fire damage. If more than one foe was struck, you lose 5 energy. but again here, inconsistent... deals damage, and is a spell so why is it BOTH skills go right through prot spirit?

May 16, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#2
Enko Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: VA Profession: Mo/	from the wording, yeah looks like skills aren't protected or health loss/steal. Starburst should be reduced by prot spirit and its weird that its not. Last edited by Enko; May 16, 2007 at 10:56 PM // 22:56..

May 16, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51	#3
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	that's what I thought too, I tried it again targetting the sickened servants (ele) in minister Cho's estate mission (there's one immidiately following the menagerie. I pin everything back, swap to 55 armor, get PS and aggro. Servant runs in, starburst, bam dead. There's no enchant removal, just goes right through it. Get this though, [skill]Vile Touch[/skill] IS reduced... yes it's damage but it's a skill, not an attack or spell. Edit nvm the 'official wiki' has vile touch as a spell now... which would make it exactly the same as star burst. Last edited by lennymon; May 16, 2007 at 11:54 PM // 23:54..

May 17, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#4
Jedi Battousai Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: [HEAT] Profession: Mo/	Loss of health (i.e vampiric touch and the like) are not stopped by prot spirit. I don't see why Star Burst wouldn't be since it's straight damage. the Star Burst could be a bug, the loss of life/life steal is not.

May 17, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22	#5
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Lifesteal is armor ignoring and will negate Prot Spirit. Vamp gaze, touch, vamp strike, etc... (anything that says target loses life and not "takes damage") will go right through prot spirit. Star Burst should not go through it however.

May 17, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41	#6
Raven Darkbringer Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2007 Profession: P/	I dunno but I tell you what, I LOVE to touch

May 17, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51	#7
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	yeah, allready know about life steal, not even an issue here. tested: lightning touch, 'prottable'

May 17, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54	#8
bluwolf Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Guild: Wanders in Oz Profession: N/	Is it maybe because your getting hit with Star Bursts AoE? Technically that is neither a spell or an attack. Just an idea.

May 17, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#9
Zui Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: Mo/	Life stealing ignores all Prot, as Prot acts on "damage" and life stealing is not "damage." As for Starburst, it shouldn't go through Protective Spirit. Are you sure you're testing this correctly? If you are, please post it as a bug (with screenshots) at the bug forum.

May 17, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16	#11
Curse You Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Pole Guild: The Magus Order Profession: N/Mo	Best way to test is with a good old Guild Scrimmage. Unfortunately, non of my guild mates are on right now.

May 17, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39	#12
ichigo_panty Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Exiled And Forsaken[EnF]	If you are solo-ing, then Starburst will be reduced. For PS to be active, you must be the target of the spell or attack. If Starburst isn't used on you but you are in the aoe range, you will not be protected. The aoe damage is not consider a spell. Notice the wording of PS. For it to work, you must be the target of the spell or attack. Therefore, if a firestorm was fired on your friend and you happen to be in the aoe range of the firestorm, PS won't work. The 2 things that negate PS are Life Steal and AoE. If there is an error somewhere, please correct me. Thank.

May 17, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13	#13
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	ok... I figured it out... In the mission its not getting reduced, likely due to the aoe effect... you are correct. In the explorable it's reduced.

May 17, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#14
Enko Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: VA Profession: Mo/	really? hmm learn something new every day i guess. didn't know that aoe wasn't covered by protective spirit.